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Los del Bloomberg dicen que la decisión se puede ir mas allá al año nuevo:
Spyker expect a decision this year
Last update: 28 December 2009, 19:07
Spyker Cars CEO Victor Muller is expecting that General Motors, GM, to answer whether the new bid to be accepted before New Year’s day. But GM has already decided on the closure and the deadline for the New Year is no longer valid. It says Hakan Danielsson, Board of Saab, the Svenska Dagbladet Näringsliv.
On Christmas Eve, leaving the last Saab speculator, sports car manufacturer Spyker Cars CEO Victor Muller, Sweden, Trollhättan, and returned to Holland. It was just before Christmas he last spoke with representatives from GM. Since then there has been silence from across the Atlantic.
- We expect a response from GM this week. Since the deadline is December 31 so I expect very much that they are of themselves very soon, “said Victor Muller, but he believes that it is difficult to predict whether the deal will go through.
- I’m very hopeful, I have been since its inception. We have done everything we possibly can.
What reactions did you get in Sweden by Saab representatives?
- To date the response has been very encouraging. Everyone wants to of course make sure that Saab will survive and if it can happen thanks to Spyker, I believe that people can be very happy.
Have you been in contact with former speculator Koenigsegg Group?
- Yes, I know Christian very well, “said Victor Muller and admits that he and Christian von Koenigsegg has talked a lot with each other on the Saab.
- We have definitely, he has been very helpful. He did not give me the business plan but it’s the same business now as they worked on with Saab. So our business plan is basically the same.
As SvD Business said last week, had a shorter Saab board meeting the day before Christmas, when representatives from GM was present via telephone from the United States. The discussions then focused entirely on the closure of Saab.
- We have received the order and then GM may make a counter-order if it would not be so and it has not done so, says Hakan Danielsson, President of Academics Association / Swedish engineers, who sit with the Saab board.
He declares that it has not happened on any new Saab-front without all that might work with the closure or the total bids have Christmas holiday.
But New Year’s is coming soon and Victor Muller seems to be focused on this important process, according to Hakan Danielsson.
- New Year’s limit was whether it would sell Saab from GM’s side. But then you came to this decision to close down well before year end. And then they said, while that in the closing phase was willing to look at the interesting quotes. So I do not think that the date 31/12 is as sacred anymore
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Dec. 29 (Bloomberg) — General Motors Co. is prepared to wait beyond the end of this week before deciding on the future of the Saab brand as it reviews remaining bids, according to Paul Aakerlund, a board member at the Swedish carmaker.
GM told Saab last week that it would wind down the unit and simultaneously continue talks with bidders about a sale, said Aakerlund, who also heads the IF Metall union at Saab. Negotiations to sell Saab to Spyker Cars NV collapsed Dec. 18 and Spyker Chief Executive Officer Victor Muller blamed the failed deal partly on a “strict deadline” for an agreement by Dec. 31. The Dutch carmaker submitted a new offer on Dec. 20.
“It’s our understanding that if there’s a bid that GM finds sufficiently interesting, then the 31st of December is not a date that’s holy,” Aakerlund said in a phone interview today.
Some 3,500 Saab jobs are at risk, along with thousands of positions among suppliers to the automotive industry in Sweden. Two attempts to sell the 72-year-old brand failed in the past five weeks and since then GM has said it received inquiries from “several parties.” The brand is among four being sold or shut as GM focuses on Chevrolet, Buick, GMC and Cadillac after its July 10 bankruptcy exit.
GM’s position hasn’t changed since its Dec. 18 statement, Chris Preuss, a company spokesman in Detroit, said yesterday. “We are winding down Saab and talking with interested parties as part of that process. We will not comment further,” he said in an e-mail.
Merbanco, Spyker
Talks with GM are now focusing on two suitors: Merbanco Inc., the Wyoming-based group that revised its bid after bringing in Swedish investors, and Zeewolde, Netherlands-based Spyker, according to two people familiar with the matter who asked not to be identified because the discussions are private.
Merbanco President Chris Johnston declined to comment.
CEO Muller said it’s difficult to evaluate Spyker’s chances, or predict whether GM will shut down or sell Saab. “We were the frontrunner the week before last, but today I wouldn’t make that claim,” he said yesterday in a phone interview.
“It is a high-risk situation,” said Michael Robinet, an analyst at consultant CSM Worldwide Inc. in Northville, Michigan. “Given the movement of the assets and the discontinuance of support from GM, it would be difficult to continue business even resembling what it used to.”
The failure of GM’s initial talks with Spyker marked the second time efforts faltered to sell Saab. Swedish sports-car maker Koenigsegg Group AB, which had backing from Beijing Automotive Industry Holding Co., walked away from a deal last month. Beijing Auto paid $200 million to buy technology from Saab to use in its own cars.
Volvo Sale
Ford Motor Co., which didn’t join GM and Chrysler Group LLC in declaring bankruptcy and taking a U.S. bailout, said last week that it agreed with China’s Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Co. on most terms for a sale of the Volvo Car Corp. unit, which is also based in Sweden.
Merbanco was one of the final three bidders for Saab in June when GM decided to go with Koeniggsegg, people familiar with the situation have said.
“They’re working with the bids they’ve received for Saab,” Aakerlund said today. “Spyker and others are very willing to buy Saab, so we’re still hoping for that solution.”
Saab hasn’t started the wind-down process, Aakerlund said. Saab’s factory in Trollhaettan is closed for the holidays and is scheduled to reopen Jan. 11.
“We still haven’t received any clear instructions about what a wind-down would entail,” Aakerlund said. “It’s far from certain they will say anything the next few days.”
¿Optimismo? o igual desesperación ya no lo se....Vicente93 escribió:
GM no ha sido capaz de cerrar ninguna de las 4 ofertas que negoció este año.
Saturno: Penske se retiró de las negociaciones en el día de cierre.
Hummer: supuestos contratos, pero no estén resueltas, porque no recibió el permiso gubernamental china.
Opel (alemán Unidad): memorando de entendimiento firmado con la Magna y 3 mil millones de euros de préstamos del gobierno alemán y reniega de GM en el acuerdo.
Saab: 5 empresas han presentado ofertas, además de 30 que habían manifestado interés, sin embargo, GM públicamente, contempla la muerte de la empresa.
Esto no es una imagen digna del dinero de los contribuyentes ni es coherente con el compromiso de GM para reconstruir su imagen.
Por el contrario Stark Allen Mulally, consejero delegado de Ford ha concluido con éxito y honor cada transacción en los esfuerzos de Ford para reducir sus marcas.
Aston Martin: Vendido en marzo de 2007.
Jaguar y Land Rover: Vendido a Tata Motors en junio de 2008.
Volvo: acuerdo de compra de activos firmado 12/23/2009 Motors Geely de China. Liquidación prevista en el Q1 de 2010.

Creopantxineto escribió:Según tengo leido ahora la marca saab pasa a manos chinas, lo que implicaría la devaluación de nuestros autos, .....
¿Pero donde lo has visto?Pantxineto escribió:Según tengo leido ahora la marca saab pasa a manos chinas
Lo único que pasa a manos chinas son los utillajes de fabricación de los modelos viejos del 9-3 y 9-5. De momento SAAB pertenece a GM hasta que la venda o la cierre.pantxineto escribió:Según tengo leido ahora la marca saab pasa a manos chinas, lo que implicaría la devaluación de nuestros autos, elmismo es de abril de 2009, ademas cabe pensar que olejos de ser la marca elitista que se le suponía se convertirá en una marca de perfil bajo. Si alguien sabe algo más que por favor nos informe pues visto así parece una verdadera faena, ya no falta otra que caer en manos chinas .....

Y aún voy más lejos. Los Jaguar me gustan tanto o más que antes.saabista escribió:Creopantxineto escribió:Según tengo leido ahora la marca saab pasa a manos chinas, lo que implicaría la devaluación de nuestros autos, .....que el Jaguar sigue costando lo que antes aunque la matriz sea india
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Es casi el mejor momento para comprar un Saab. Recambios y piezas existirán durante varios años y sino siempre quedarán los desguaces. En el mercado de 2ª mano encontrarás verdaderas joyas con buenos precios que habrás de mirar con lupa para hallar su pureza.miki2010 escribió:He entrado por aquí ya que estaba pensando comprar un saab 95, pero acabo de enterarme por un amigo que saab esta a punto de cerrar, podemos tener problemas los que tenemos saab con los recambios. que puede pasar? He visto que los precios de los saab de segunda mano son bastante baratos. Que me podeis decir?
Gracias por la respuesta.
CastMad escribió:Yo la solución la veo en el plano de las presiones de estado. En otros sectores he visto como han comprado marcas míticas que estaban pasando un mal momento para matarlas literalmente. Es una buena estrategia de largo plazo, para qué nos vamos a engañar. El negocio sale bien de todas formas: aprovechas los activos de la marca y creas sinergias, controlas una linea de potencial desarrollo de competencia y además tienes el poder de asesinarla cuando te interese.
Más importante que 3000 fanáticos diseminados en el mundo digan "I will never buy a GM car" es que el gobierno sueco diga a Obama "We will never buy any american stuff"